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date: Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 7:59 PM
subject: Re: [CAMormonBattallion] Re: Fwd: Openly Gay Mormon Appointed to LDS Church Leadership Position (?)
@Christopher Quote:"But almost every member DOES lends aid, encouragement, or sympathy to any of these false philosophies. They support the 2nd, 5th and 10th planks of the Communist Manifesto and are card carrying Socialists because they have Social Security numbers."
You are absolutely right. But I believe we are past the point of no return. 2/3rds of all Americans are belly up to the public trough, Read what the Washington Post states:
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Radical leftist Ezra Klein explains why in this Washington Post article thiat our Marxist/Socialistic America would crumble if the debt limit does not continue to spiral into infinity.
The U.S. sends out 200 million checks per month
http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2011/07/31/the-u-s-government-sends-out-200-million-checks-per-month/Excerpt:
I’ve been saying the federal government sends out 80 million checks a month, a number I got from the Bipartisan Policy Center. The president says the government sends out 70 million. Alec MacGillis says we’re both wrong:
The figures used by Obama and Geithner were, if anything, too low. They relied on Treasury Department figures from June that include Social Security (56 million checks that month), veterans benefits (4.5 million checks), and spending on non-defense contractors and vendors (1.8 million checks).
But those numbers do not include reimbursements to Medicare providers and vendors (100 million claims in June), and electronic transfers to the 21 million households receiving food stamps.
Nor do they include most spending by the Defense Department, which has a payroll of 6.4 million active and retired employees and, on average, pays nearly 1 million invoices and 660,000 travel expense claims per month.
Obama’s and Geithner’s statements were hyperbolic only in one sense: The vast majority of the payments are now electronic, not checks per se. Of the roughly 80 million payments that the Treasury Department made in June, just 12 million were paper checks, half of them to Social Security recipients who prefer to get their allotment in the mail.Yikes.
John Hawkins of Right Wing News tweeted this today:
Democrats are selling your children into slavery so they’ll have more cash to give to bribe their supporters with.
Most of the time the government writes a check, it is redistributing money from those who work and earn to some other group of people who did not earn that money. In some cases, these expenditures are legitimate – as with defense. But in other cases, it is just borrowing from children’s futures in order to pay off other people who should be taking responsibility for their own lives.
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And then you get some boozo like me who threatens to shut it ALL DOWN! I have vowed to veto all bills and it would require all legislation to be passed by a 2/3rds override of my veto. It will bring this Socialist government to its knees.
Can you image what will happen when 200,000,000 checks suddenly quit flowing?
I don't think you have the stomach for such a crisis. You talk the talk, but you can't walk the walk!
Of course, the congressional buffoons could do it right and override my vetoes and bring our Socialist government slowly under control and we could break free of the FED, Bilderbergs, CFR, Rockerfellers, Rothschild Family, Bank of England, etc, etc. And when I stop the vast flow of American cash into these evil combinations...they will go belly up too.
But I am not going to hold my breath...
Edward C. Noonan
President - 2012
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On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Christopher Hansen
I say I am amazed you even got an answer. Naturally it was a non-answer answer. The Church will not answer such questions directly.
When I went after Harry Reid and the Church for having Harry give firesides in an election year I nailed Reid and got all of the Firesides cancelled but the Church did not respond. The "Lost Sheep" is no longer important enough for the Shepherd to come looking.
I loved this one: "regarding a person’s worthiness from hearsay sources". Hearsay sources? It was the Queers own web site where he said he was still looking for the Butt Sex!
This is why I don't go to Church any more. I never find the Spirit there and the pews are filled to overflowing with illegals and practicing Socialists with Temple Recommends. And it has been made very clear to me that patriot non-voluntary slaves are not welcome.
My very best to you and keep trying if you want to. You will NEVER get an answer that is specific.
If you do let me know. I will be VERY interested.
I laughed right out loud when I read this LIE: "Let me assure you that the doctrines of the Church do not change."
Oh really:
False Political Isms http://lds.org/pa/display/0,17884,4889-1,00.html
We again warn our people in America of the constantly increasing threat against our inspired Constitution and our free institutions set up under it. The same political tenets and philosophies that have brought war and terror in other parts of the world are at work amongst us in America. The proponents thereof are seeking to undermine our own form of government and to set up instead one of the forms of dictatorships now flourishing in other lands. These revolutionists are using a technique that is as old as the human race—a fervid but false solicitude for the unfortunate over whom they thus gain mastery and then enslave them.
They suit their approaches to the particular group they seek to deceive. Among the Latter-day Saints they speak of their philosophy and their plans under it as an ushering in of the United Order. Communism and all other similar isms bear no relationship whatever to the United Order. They are merely the clumsy counterfeits which Satan always devises of the gospel plan. Communism debases the individual and makes him the enslaved tool of the state to whom he must look for sustenance and religion; the United Order exalts the individual, leaves him his property, "according to his family, according to his circumstances and his wants and needs," (D&C 51:3) and provides a system by which he helps care for his less fortunate brethren; the United Order leaves every man free to choose his own religion as his conscience directs. Communism destroys man's God-given free agency; the United Order glorifies it. Latter-day Saints can not be true to their faith and lend aid, encouragement, or sympathy to any of these false philosophies. They will prove snares to their feet.
"Latter-day Saints can not be true to their faith and lend aid, encouragement, or sympathy to any of these false philosophies"?
But almost every member DOES lends aid, encouragement, or sympathy to any of these false philosophies. They support the 2nd, 5th and 10th planks of the Communist Manifesto and are card carrying Socialists because they have Social Security numbers.
So if the Doctrine has not changed then why are those of us that eschew Communism punished but those that embrace false isms are allowed to go to the temple and have church callings? The proof is in the fruit" and the "fruit" is in the practice. And he leadership practices not allowing non-socialists to have temple recommends and church callings.
"He will not allow His Church to be led astray." Really? Then why are the vast majority of the members and leadership practicing Socialists and card carrying members of this Satanic Religion?
Same BS half truths and outright lies that I have seen time and again while the local leadership embraces Queers and Socialists and illegals.
Christopher
On 8/27/11 1:42 PM, Edward C. Noonan wrote:
Christopher
@:"Good luck in your quest. Let us know what happens."
I DID GET a reply from my Stake President! I was sweating it that he would not reply at all, but he did...and I am relieved that I have a Stake President that will respond...regardless of how awkward the subject matter is.
My first impression was that I was rebuked in the smallest way. I guess I should have known that "No other person (even bishops and stake presidents in other units of the Church) is authorized, or will have the spirit of discernment, to make such judgments regarding members outside the boundaries of their ward or stake."
I am sure it this is our churches way of telling people like me to 'shut up and move along, there's nothing to see...' or else, not to rock the boat nor question what is reported and heard from other stakes and wards.
Perhaps I could be more willing to look away and go “wink-wink” with the rest of California, but there is a new stronghold that the Sodomites have on the military now. And it is clear that the Sodomite-filled state and federal legislative Houses are forcing American/California children to be indoctrinated in Sodomite history and Sodomite pride. So, I am unwilling to be silent and "go back to sleep!"
I did however, read the link that President Hall sent to me (1995 Ensign). But I have to be honest....I WANT SOMETHING MORE CURRENT THAN A 16 YEAR OLD CONFERENCE TALK. Bro. Oaks states:“Kindness, compassion, and love are powerful instruments in strengthening us to carry heavy burdens imposed without any fault of our own and to do what we know to be right.”
Kindness? Compassion? Love? Didn’t the Nephites and even the Lamanites try to show kindness, compassion and love toward the Gadiaton Robbers. The Book of Mormon (Helaman 6&7) states that for a while some of the Gadiaton robbers, murderers and deviants did turn righteous for a while, but in the end the Gadiatons completely overcame the members of the church, and the entire government and finally took the lives of everyone that did not join with them.
I believe it is the same today. The Sodomites do not want to “just be friends” but to completely turn entire neighborhoods and communities into dens of evil corruption. Every new program on TV now sponsors sodomite-acting actors and actresses. HawthoRN, Warehouse 13, Law and Order: LA, Undercovers, Fairly Legal, Being Human, My Name is Earl, Shameless, Glee, American Idol, Stargate Universe, etc., and even our news stations are infested… Fox News (Shepard Smith), MSNBC (Rachel Maddow), etc., etc., etc.! All portraying the sodomite lifestyle as upstanding and decent.
Maybe it is just me and I am not interested in seeing morally perverted characters being portrayed in my living room. I will not watch any show that glorifies people that make wrong choices!
I was hoping my Stake President would have been a little less “politically correct” and would have had a tough-love sort of stance… but I guess our church is in the mindset of “can’t we all just get along?” Meanwhile, our nation and communities are going the way to the Nephites and the minds of our citizens of today have been lulled to sleep by the whispers of Lucifer. I, for one, refuse to go back to sleep. What say you, Christopher?
Edward C. Noonan
President - 2012
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From: Peter Hall
Date: Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: Openly Gay Mormon Appointed to LDS Church Leadership Position (?)
To: "Edward C. Noonan"
Cc: Bishop Keith
Brother Noonan,
Thank you for your email. It’s always good to hear from members of our stake.
Let me assure you that the doctrines of the Church do not change. Chastity outside of marriage, and complete fidelity in marriage are, and always will be required. Obedience to the Lord’s commandments is the way to happiness in this life and the Eternities, and is what puts one in a position to be counted worthy to serve and perform ordinances in His Church.
Those who are authorized to determine worthiness in the Lord’s kingdom receive priesthood keys, delegated from the president of the Church, to do so. Specifically, bishops, stake presidents, and general authorities have those keys and are set apart to counsel with members and discern worthiness in specific geographic areas. No other person (even bishops and stake presidents in other units of the Church) is authorized, or will have the spirit of discernment, to make such judgments regarding members outside the boundaries of their ward or stake.
Discussions between priesthood leaders and members regarding repentance and progression toward a sinless life are confidential, and are not shared with others. It is not wise to try to guess, or make assumptions regarding a person’s worthiness from hearsay sources, or photographs. Both words and photos can used out of context or retouched with amazing ease. Even our own personal perceptions can be faulty. It’s best to let the Lord work through his ordained ministers, and not set ourselves up as judges.
It is evident from the article you passed along that the man in the news story has traveled a rough path. By his own admission, though he has repented at least to some degree, he has not reached a sinless state (nor has any of us), but he continues to try to master his weaknesses. I am grateful to his priesthood leaders, who obviously care deeply for him and are helping him along the way.
Perhaps the most thorough statement from the Church regarding this subject is found in the October 1995 Ensign.
https://lds.org/ensign/1995/10/same-gender-attraction?lang=eng
Repentance is a great blessing of the atonement, and all of us could use more true repentance in our lives. Whether it’s overcoming pride, or anger, or a non-forgiving spirit, or not faithfully serving in the Lord’s kingdom, or keeping the Word of Wisdom, or not paying tithing, or remaining totally chaste in our thoughts and words and actions, or not keeping our temple covenants, any of these transgressions will keep us from the presence of the Lord. I applaud all who are making progress toward overcoming them.
I know that this is the Lord’s Church. I know he stands at the head of it and guides its affairs worldwide as well as in our local units. He will not allow His Church to be led astray. My prayer is that the Lord will bless each of us as we seek forgiveness, and redouble our efforts to serve Him.
President Hall
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